Gemini Season 2023 with Gianni Di Poce on The Cosmic Eye Forecast

Gianni Di Poce joins Alejo Lopez to chat about Gemini Season and the month ahead. Includes a look at classic Geminis William Delbert Gann and Chien-Shiung Wu.

PLUS the monthly lunations, the Mars-Pluto-Jupiter t-square, the Venus-Pluto-Jupiter t-square, Venus in Leo, Pluto retrograding into Capricorn and Saturn retrograde.

About Our Guest: Gianni Di Poce is the program director of the Merriman Market Timing Academy (MMTA2) and an MMA analyst covering a span of different markets. Gianni reports on T-Notes for the MMA Monthly Cycles Report, as well as the Australian markets (index and currency), Cannabis, and Live Cattle for the International Cycles Reports. Gianni is the editor for the MMA Crude Oil Report, which provides daily, weekly, and monthly updates for subscribers. Gianni holds a Bachelor’s Degree in Economics, and served as a financial adviser for 5 years.

See all of Gianni’s webinars and courses at Astrology University – Browse Collection

Time Stamps for the topics covered in this episode:

0:00-2:26 Introduction to Gemini Season
2:26-8:39 Classic Gemini: WD Gann, Chien-Shiung Wu
8:39-11:23 Things to do in Gemini Season
11:23-58:59 Astrology of Gemini Season
58:59-1:05:23 Monthly Mantra & Wrap Up

Transcript for The Cosmic Eye — Gemini Season Episode

Tony Howard: Welcome to the Astrology University podcast, helping you find insight, inspiration and meaning through the study of astrology. And now, on to the show.

Alejo Lopez: Welcome to The Cosmic Eye, the Astrology University podcast in which we will look at the month ahead and the challenges and opportunities that are coming. This is the podcast for the Gemini season. I am Alejo Lopez, your host, and today with me is Gianni Di Poce. Gianni I think needs no introduction because he’s a tutor in Astrology University, so you know him probably. He specializes in financial astrology. Hi, Gianni, welcome, welcome. Nice to have you here.

Gianni Di Poce: Thanks for having me, Alejo. How you doing?

Alejo: Great. How are you?

Gianni: Good. Good. Thank you. I’m looking forward to this conversation today.

Alejo: Great, me too. Now, before we move into the Gemini season, I would like to mention that if you like the podcast, the best thing you can do to support us is to share it with friends and people interested. And also we would love to hear your feedback. Or if you want to share some thoughts or reflections that you have after listening to the episode, the email address is [email protected]. Great. So when I think of Gemini, the first thing I think is of the last part of spring. So I think of the bugs flying around and making noises and taking pollen from one flower to the other. So I think of this idea of mutability, and the possibilities of combining different pieces of information. And maybe the creativity that comes with with change. What images do you have? What do you think about when you think of Gemini?

Gianni: Well, I think of long days. You know, in the Northern Hemisphere the days are getting longer. It’s high energy. You mentioned the pollinating insects, that’s all part of it, too. You know, usually by then you’re in late spring, so all of the fruits and vegetables are blossoming and, you know, you’re on the precipice of them starting to bear fruit. So you’re going into the peak of light, and it’s crazy to think because the days get will continue to get warmer after Gemini season, but the actual solar energy peaks around then for the year.

Alejo: Hmm, yeah, it’s true. Yeah. Nice. So we usually start choosing a classic Gemini sign. And I’m wondering, what do you have in mind?

Gianni: Well, since we’re talking about Gemini season, you mentioned my background is in financial astrology primarily, but I like the mundane stuff too. But since we’re talking about Geminis, I think it’s only fitting that I bring up William Delbert Gann, otherwise known as WD Gann. One of the original financial astrologers, if you will. He published a series of books and reports in the early 20th century. He was actually born on June 6th, 1878. He was born in Texas but he became a really famous and well known trader and financial market operator. He traded commodities, cotton, grains, stocks. He famously made a lot of money shorting the 1929 stock market crash. But his Sun is posited at 15 degrees Gemini. And you know, he wrote a couple of books where he kind of outlays his speculative strategy and how he uses astrology to achieve that. But he is a very strong Gemini in that regard because his ascendant is at 28 of Leo, so he’s ruled by his Sun which is posited in Gemini. Then he also has a Moon-Uranus conjunction on his ascendant, so no surprise that he’s into the astrology either I think. So since we’re talking about astrology, well Gemini season I should say, I think he’s a very good example. His midheaven is in Taurus, Venus is posited at 2 degrees Taurus as well. So, you know, now Jupiter is hanging out right around that sign. Obviously he’s no longer living, but you know, he was one of the pioneers in financial astrology in that regard. And he also has Jupiter in the sixth degree of Aquarius. So a lot of air, a lot of Earth, but a nice mix of some occult, you know, related signatures as well that I think give him a pretty strong inclination into astrology.

Alejo: Yeah, nice. Do you see this idea… Do you see in the way he approached financial astrology, do you see this Gemini flavor?

Gianni: Yeah, because, you know, he was never hesitant to trade both directions of the market. Meaning if the market was rising, he wanted to be buying. If the market was falling, he had no problem selling short, which, in you know financial terms meaning you’re making a bet that prices will decline. So you know, a lot of mutable in that regard. But yeah, actually, you know as I look at his chart, the only sign that is mutable for him is his Sun in Gemini. All the other ones are pretty much in fixed. He has a lot of fixed actually, so that’s interesting to think about too. But he was very big into his methodology, which I think speaks to, you know, all those fixed signs. And that’s what allowed him to be a successful speculator, in my view. He also has a Mercury-Pluto conjunction on his midheaven in Taurus. So, he knew how to, you know, I think he understood the hidden forces of money in that regard. So, then he has Saturn in eighth house. So he was patient in accumulating it, I think. And he lasted a long time, made a lot of money in the market. He’s one of the most famous traders that, you know, even when you get into the upper echelons of mainstream finance where they don’t talk about astrology, you start getting into higher levels of discussion, people start talking about Gann. So it’s kind of one of those unspoken secrets, if you will, in the trading community. People will talk about Gann, but when they talk about Gann, what they really mean is astrology.

Alejo: Wow. Yeah, very interesting. Nice. Also this idea of Gemini that has so many different masks, you know. Like the different possibilities. It’s what I love about Gemini, the mutability of it. You know, I also find my Gemini friends, one thing I love about them is that I feel it’s a sign that’s so non judgmental. It’s so curious about life that I feel like when they meet something strange or something different to what they are used to, instead of being repelled they are curious to study it.

Gianni: Yeah, Gemini can intellectualize anything they want, I think. They can convince themselves of anything through intellect, I think, if you give them a position to formulate, they can come up with something.

Alejo: Yeah. So my choice of classic Gemini was a Chinese scientist, she’s called Chien-Shiung Wu, I hope I’m saying it right. And I don’t have the chart, so I don’t know her ascendant or anything. She was born on the 31st of May 1912 in Liuhe, China. And she’s considered like a Marie Curie scientist. And she actually was living in the US because she went to the USA to do her PhD and then she stayed there because of World War II. And she was famous because she discovered that there’s something, well, I had to read a lot about this because I couldn’t understand it. There’s something like, when there is interaction between particles, scientists used to believe that the kind of interaction has what they call parity symmetry. So this means that if the interactions comes from the left or the right, the kind of interaction is going to be the same. And actually, she discovered that is not the same, whether coming from the left or the right. Which means that left and right is not just a human concept. It’s something that is kind of something outside of the human. It’s very interesting with this idea of kind of mirroring a perspective, again, with the idea of duality and Gemini and she was a Gemini. I think it’s, I don’t know, I find it interesting.

Gianni: That is, that’s fascinating.

Alejo: And the other thing we like to do at the beginning of the podcast is to think about, what can we do in this season. So I came up with some classical ideas, like of course, if you want to learn something new, the Sun in Gemini will illuminate the path to learning something new. If you have ideas to share, if you want to start a blog or a podcast, maybe it’s a good moment to do it with the Sun in Gemini. It’s like the light is illuminating that possibility. And also to write. I mean, if you have to write your dissertation, like I should do, maybe I could use this month to do it. Then I was also thinking about the idea of crafts, because Gemini rules the hands on the arms. So if you want to start something artistic, perhaps, or creative that requires the use of hands like knitting or maybe sculpture or something like that, you can try it. I think sculpture also depending on the technique may involve some Martian energy. And as we were talking before starting to record, I think you came up with a wonderful idea of something we can do.

Gianni: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So kind of incorporating some mythological understanding into the sign of Gemini. You know, you have Apollo and Hercules posited there in the constellations. And Apollo, the God, was a ruler of archery. So I think this is really good time if you’ve never done archery to potentially try it, or if you’ve have done archery to perhaps practice your skills a little bit. So obviously using your arms. Gemini is opposite Sagittarius, which is the symbol is the arrow. And I want to tie something in else too, you know, I think the whole idea of even walking or running, using your lungs, cardiovascular exercise. Another mythological way to tie this into is, you know, when you read the Iliad, whenever Achilles is referenced they say Achilles the runner. So they don’t share his birthday, but I do think Achilles is a Gemini based off of that. And he was a good warrior, obviously, he was using a sword and spear. So he was using his arms quite a bit. So I think this is a good season to run, work your lungs, work your arms, and work your mind.

Alejo: It’s fantastic. Also, because like you were saying before, sometimes Gemini is so much related to the intellectual world because it’s an air sign. So it’s a good way of grounding it also, feeling in the body, the idea of running and using your air. So we could also say singing.

Gianni: Yeah. Well, Apollo ruled singing, too. You know, he had his muses. And, you know, part of that was singing.

Alejo: Nice, beautiful. Okay, great. So now we come to the most interesting section, I think. We all want to hear, which is the key signatures of these months. So like the major transits, and also we usually look at the lunations. And I know you have some ideas, some things to share. So first of all, let’s say on the 21st of May, my time, I use GMT time, so for me it’s 9am GMT, the Sun will go into Gemini. So it depends on your timezone exactly when this is happening. And I think it’s quite interesting, because as he’s going into Gemini, there’s this opposition between Mars in Leo and Pluto in Aquarius. Am I right? Yeah. And it’s squaring the Jupiter. Right? You said that you had a lot of ideas to share about this. What do you think about this? How do you take it?

Gianni: Well, there’s a lot going on in the world right now. And you know, it seems kind of over simplistic just to say that. But you know, so we have this t-square and with Jupiter at the apex in the sign of Taurus, Mars in Leo and Pluto in Aquarius, like you said. And Taurus rules banking. So you know, whenever you have a t-square, there’s tension between the opposing planets and the solution to the tension rests in the apex planet, so in Jupiter. So there’s been some serious banking issues in the United States, a couple collapses of, you know, some startup financial banks or tech related banks. And I think that’s what Aquarius has to do with regard to tech. You also have some major disruption on that front, you know, you have companies like Apple introducing new high interest rate saving accounts. So I think that ties into Pluto being in the sign of Aquarius as well. But when we look at Mars especially, Alejo, I think we have to look at the geopolitical situation, too. Because Zelenskyy of Ukraine, his Mars is posited right at zero of Leo. And if you look at Vladimir Putin too, his Ascendant is at, I think it’s at three degrees Scorpio.So Jupiter is opposite his ascendant. So this whole t-square is lining up with Putin’s ascendant and Zelenskyy’s Mars. And so I think if we are going to see another escalation in this conflict, you know, it doesn’t necessarily have have to happen that same day, but I think during Gemini season. Because I think Putin has an air Moon, I can’t remember if it’s a Libra Moon or a Gemini, I think it is a Libra Moon. And Xi Jingping has the Gemini Moon, or he’s a Gemini rather. But yeah, that’s what I think we need to keep an eye on. And you know, as it pertains to Jupiter in Taurus as well, Taurus rules agriculture and grain markets, and Ukraine is the breadbasket of Europe. So if there is an escalation in the geopolitical conflict there, I think it will affect grain markets. You know, right now we’re having a really good harvest coming out of Brazil. I mentioned my background financial astrology so I pay attention to this stuff. So Brazil has a record corn and soybean harvest right now. So that ties into Jupiter in Taurus too, because Jupiter can be one of two things. It can mean tremendous demand for the sectors of the economy ruled by that sign that is transiting, or it can mean oversupply. So when there’s a lot of demand it means prices will rise. But when there’s an oversupply, it means prices will fall. Right now grain markets are falling as Jupiter just ingresses into the sign of Taurus. But I think by the end of its transit through Taurus, by next year, I think we’ll see a bottom and then a subsequent big rise in agricultural prices. So that’s kind of my view on this whole t-square going on between Jupiter at the apex and Mars opposing Pluto squaring Jupiter.

Alejo: Yeah, I think it’s very interesting. And like you said, it doesn’t have to happen on the 21st of May, right? Because actually there are orbs happening, right? So that’s when we have the Mars opposing Pluto, but then Jupiter is at one degree of Taurus. And of course, everything is in motion. So it’s like the t-square is going to stay for a few days actually. It’s not just going to be
right on that day. So it’s like it’s starting to escalate. Maybe some kind of tension is starting to grow. Do you take into account like, I do more like psychological astrology, but when I do Horary astrology I take into account the kind of motion the planets are doing. So for me because Pluto is retrograding and Mars is direct, there is a kind of a willing from Pluto to meet Mars. Usually it’s Mars will reach Pluto, or Mars is like, fastest, right? But in that case, because Pluto is retrograde, it’s like Pluto is waiting for him, so he wants to meet. Do you take this into account when you do financial astrology or not?

Gianni: Well, you know, in terms of planets retrograding in financial astrology, we usually look for reversals and markets within an orb of time of the retrograde and direct dates. So, you know, speaking on the topic of retrogrades, the most powerful retrograde planets that we observe in financial astrology are actually Venus and Neptune retrograde. Those are the most powerful ones. And there’s been very significant correspondence to significant reversals in financial markets during those times. But also changes in monetary policy during periods of Venus retrograde. Central Bank’s changing, you know, their verbiage or changing their policy programs. But you know, it’s interesting because not a lot of people associate the planet of Neptune with financial markets. But I think we have to remember that Neptune is the higher octave of Venus. Venus is exalted in Pisces. And what does Neptune rule, Alejo? Neptune rules the sea. It rules the waves. Financial markets move in waves. You know, it rules water. People behave emotionally in financial markets is a big psychological component to it, too. So, you know, to revert to your question. Do we take that into account? Not in our methodology, but that is very interesting. It’s kind of hard to narrow down that combination because you don’t get, you know, Mars opposing or retrograding Pluto all the time. Those occurrences are very uncommon. But that would be interesting to see when they actually occur, because I know it does from time to time. Especially since Pluto spends like a third or half the year retrograde? Usually spends a lot of time in retrograde motion. But it just depends where Mars is relative to that, obviously. So that’s a very interesting potential avenue of study there.

Alejo: Yeah. Of course, Pluto is retrograde like, a lot, a long time. Because every time the Sun goes far it starts retrograding, right? Like psychologically, you know, I would say that maybe there is, with Mars and Jupiter, there is this kind of whatever you do to defend your ideals and your beliefs, if Pluto is retrograding also to create this T square, I would say there is an inner will to examine what are your beliefs and why do you fight for what you believe? And what kind of fight do you want to do? And then I’m wondering if this also has a political impact with what you said. With Ukraine and Russia and the whole situation, if there is something about that also, I don’t know.

Gianni: Yeah, well, it could be. I think we’ll know in a couple of weeks here.

Alejo: Yeah. Do you take into account the nodes? Because Jupiter is about to conjunct the North Node.

Gianni: Yeah, yeah. There have been some studies on that. You know, I’m a student of Ray Merriman, his financial astrology. And you know there are peaks and troughs in the economy associated with the nodal revolution. There was a lady in the early 20th century, her name was Louise McWhirter. Some people actually think that it might have been an alias used by WD Gann, but there’s really not, I don’t know what the evidence to support that or refute it is. But it’s called the McWhirter cycle and it’s basically, you look at the performance of the economy as the north node transits through the zodiac. But Ray did his own studies and made some modifications to it. And basically, when the when the North Node is in Taurus, it means that the economy is generally in a state of equilibrium, but it’s on the downturn. So you see the peak of economic activity when the North Node is in Leo. And then it goes, it’s all about the fixed signs. So when you get to Taurus, it means you’re more of a state of equilibrium but on the downswing. When you get to Aquarius you’re at the bottom of business activity, economic activity. And then when you get to the North Node in Scorpio, you’re back at equilibrium because you’re opposite Taurus, but you’re on the upswing. So that’s kind of how we’ve modernized Louise McWhirter’s nodal studies with respect to the economy.

Alejo: And if Jupiter is there we just say that this sense of going downwards is gonna be felt more.

Gianni: Well Jupiter is the planet of exaggerations, so that could be the case. You know, this could be the point, I think, that once Jupiter leaves the sign of Taurus it will be very obvious by then that we’re on the downswing. If you look at Jupiter’s revolution through the zodiac, Jupiter transiting through Taurus tends to be a time of depressed economic activity, which is kind of counterintuitive. You would think Jupiter going through a sign that rules money, like Venus, or like Taurus that’s ruled by Venus, would be good for stocks and money and all that kind of stuff. But if you actually plot the historical data, it’s not that strong. But, you know, these studies, you know, are based off probabilities in 70% to 80% range. There’s always going to be exceptions. But that’s been the general case was with Jupiter in Taurus. So we’ll see if that plays out again. You know, we are getting late in several cycles here. It’s crazy to think that it’s been over three years since the the COVID economic crash. And we’re coming up on some pretty important time bands. So yeah, I think this is the most intense period of astrological activity of 2023. And we’ve started to see some remnants, we’ve started to see some of the consequences of this. And we haven’t even started talking about Pluto yet, because you know Pluto is going to retrograde back into Capricorn on June 11th. And I think, you know, this is a big shift that we’re seeing. You know, because Pluto is the manipulator in modern astrology. And when we talk about mundane astrology, people can have debates about, you know, free markets and supply and demand and all that stuff. But you know, my argument to that is, as long as Pluto exists I don’t think you’re ever going to have a free market, because there’s always going to be an element of society that’s going to try to manipulate the economy. And that’s kind of been the standard operating practice of governments in history. So, and I bring that up, Alejo, because since 2008 Pluto was in Capricorn. And that was a period where, you know, central banks were propping up governments, they were propping up corporations. It was a time of a lot of corporate bailouts. And now as Pluto goes into the sign of Aquarius, I think we’re seeing a shift from that. And I think that ties into the conversations around Universal Basic Income or, you know, reparations for whatever cause, you know, being discussed. I’m not arguing the merits for or against those, I’m just saying that’s why we’re having those conversations now. I think that has to do with Pluto going into Aquarius, because Aquarius is the people, Aquarius is the individual. Capricorn are the businesses. Capricorn’s the government, and so we’re in that point of tension now as Pluto retrogrades back and forth between Capricorn and Aquarius. So during this Gemini season we’re going to see a retrograde back into Capricorn. So we’ll see how that manifests. But I think the point is between that, that battle between the people and the government and the people in corporations, I think that’s really emphasized now with Pluto retrograding back and forth between Capricorn and aquarius.

Alejo: Nice. So Pluto going into Aquarius, you feel it’s representing this idea of the power going back to the people, like democratizing power. The retrogradation to Capricorn is like the old establishment trying to get this power back.

Gianni: Yeah. Well, if you go back to the last time Pluto was in Capricorn, on this axis between Capricorn and Aquarius, you know, you had the American Revolution, you had the French Revolution. You had a lot of revolution type movements across the world at that time. And then, you know, that ties into various Uranus cycles and all that. But right now we’re talking about Gemini season, this is what we’re seeing in this one is, you know, Pluto retrograding back into Capricorn. So it’s not like, I don’t envision a scenario where the government is just oh, okay, that’s it, we’re done, here’s all the power back. Or the corporation’s either, you know. I think it’s with Pluto, it’s an underground battle. It’s a power struggle. Who’s gonna control the means of taxation. We say Pluto rules the four D’s: death, defaults, deficits and downgrades. You know, we have a debt crisis brewing in the United States, as well. Government’s are running out of money. I think they’ll resolve that, but you know, this all ties into that because Pluto rules debt and the economy runs on debt. But that is changing because it’s not sustainable from a mathematical standpoint. So I think we’ll see the culmination of that while Pluto is in Aquarius. So what that tells me is, you know, we have, you know, another few months or a few years of this battle between the individual and the establishment and how that will play out, well, we’ll see. Because with Pluto, it can get nasty.

Alejo: Yeah, and I will say a few years also, because it goes into Aquarius it’s going to stay there for a long time. It’s not going to… like you were talking about the French Revolution. I mean, a lot of things happened. It’s not just like, they take the Bastille, you know. It’s like, it’s a whole process. And all that came afterwards with Bonaparte and everything, there’s always also a reaction to it. And I would say, to bring it into psychological level, the same idea that you’re using, I would say for each one of us to think about the inner fight between older structures of power and perhaps a more democratizing your inner power. Like not allowing, I mean, this fight between following an older hierarchy or must do things in a certain way, which is more like a Saturnian approach, a Capricornian approach. And perhaps now moving into a freer way of doing things and how to how to allow, like an inner struggle in trying to allow this change, I would also think of.

Gianni: Well, you know our good friend Tony Howard has done some very good lectures on, you know, we’re talking about Aquarius here. And in classical astrology, Saturn rules Aquarius. But Saturn’s rulership of Aquarius is different than Saturn’s rulership of Capricorn. And, you know, Saturn is a planet of karma. So I always say, you know, the Aquarius-Capricorn axis has a lot to do with tradition, because Saturn rules tradition. But that axis between Capricorn and Aquarius, it’s like, when the tradition no longer gives you a means to operate in reality, it’s time to build a new one. Because Saturn rules reality, too. So traditions come and go. It’s not like we’ve had one tradition for all of history. There’s been new traditions born old traditions die. And I think that’s what a big part of this theme is. I mean, you know, you were talking about France and the Bastille and Bonaparte, I mean, France hasn’t had a monarchy since then. You know, Napoleon tried to reinstitute, he was an emperor, but it wasn’t quite the same structure of government as the monarchy. So yeah, the way we view power, because Pluto is a planet of power, too. Yeah, I’m not sure because, you know, Capricorn, to me, is more of like familial hierarchy. But Napoleon, it was more about the individual power.

Alejo: Yes. I would agree. And Aquarius, you know, the shadow of Aquarius is Leo. Right? The opposite.

Gianni: I think with Aquarius involved now, technology is gonna play a big role in that. You know, whether it’s surveillance or central bank digital currencies and stuff like that. You know, these are conversations that are being had at a policy level. And so, Aquarius also rules the power grid, utilities. Are you going to have to make, you know, your tax payments on the grid with digital currency and stuff like that? So, you know, part of me is still skeptical about that whole situation. But since we’re talking about power and governments, you know, it seems like whenever there’s a foregone consensus on something, it never really unfolds that way. But these are the conversations being had. So, I’m not sure, I think it will tie into this whole Pluto going into Aquarius situation. But yeah, that’s going to impact the freedom of the individual because Aquarius is a sign that does not like to be restricted in that respect. So I’m not sure how that will play out.

Alejo: Yeah, we will see as you say, we will see. We’re getting some preview. Now before that happens, we because we jumped to the 11th of June, before that happens, on the fourth of June we have the full moon, right? Yes. Well I think you have it on the fifth because of the time difference, or is it the fourth for you?

Gianni: For me, I’m in the eastern time zone, it is on the third and actually. But it’s close to midnight so you know, fourth, third, same thing.

Alejo: Okay, okay. Did you have anything before we go into the 3rd? Did you have anything, any other events you wanted to discuss between the 31st of May on the 3rd of June?

Gianni: No nothing in particular. A lot of my my notes are on what’s going on in June.

Alejo: Okay, great. So let’s go to this full moon, yeah. Which brings in actually the archer that you mentioned, which I think is beautiful actually. Well one of the things that strikes me is that, if you take the minor aspects, the full moon is picking up on this t-square. Because the moon is semi-squaring Pluto, and sesquisquaring Venus actually, not Mars. With Mars it’s a trine. And then the Sun, so actually I think I miscalculated. So the Moon is trining Mars and Mars is opposite Pluto. Yes. And they are still in the square to Jupiter. So I don’t know, I think that maybe being a full moon something will be exposed to the world about all of these things that we’ve been talking about so far.

Gianni: Yeah, well, you know Jupiter rules Sagittarius so I think it’s a very dramatic full moon.

Alejo: Yeah, it’s true.

Gianni: Jupiter also rules, in the mundane world, it rules education, it rules higher learning, it rules, you know, religion. It rules even the central banks. So I think, you know, we were talking about the banking situation. I think it’s going to culminate sometime in Gemini season we’ll have a solution to the whole situation. If not we’re probably going to have to look ahead into Venus retrograde later this year, but that’s later on.

Alejo: Okay. I feel like, this this full moon also to me sounds a bit dramatic and intense, as I think there’s a lot of things going on. The full moon is also squaring Saturn depending on the orbs you take, of course. But I think six orbs for square is good. So I’m wondering also if this sense of, you know, with the Moon in Sagittarius and the Sun in Gemini, I feel there’s always this tension between being more rational, or being more intuitive. Being more thoughtful or just following your guts. And Saturn there, Saturn is in Pisces. So it’s like, I think there is this feeling of trying to bring some sense of reality to everything that’s going on. But like, we’re super confused about, we don’t understand anything about what’s going on. And I can take this like in a personal level, like we’re trying to ground this inner battle between trying to understand, you know, Gemini and Sagittarius, we talked about education. I think we can also talk about the idea of understanding. Learning and understanding. And with Saturn there is like this pressure to try to ground what we’re learning and make sense of it, but because it’s in Pisces we don’t get any, I don’t know, I feel we’re still so confused. I don’t know. What do you feel about it?

Gianni: Well, you know, I’m a natal Saturn in Pisces o this is more of a story of my life. So you know, I think it’s about having realistic expectations. Because Pisces is full of dreams, but Saturn is reality. So what are realistic expectations? And kind of trying to differentiate what’s real from what’s not. You know, in the age of social media and the 24/7 news cycles, so much is shared out there. And, you know, we’re in Gemini season and Gemini loves to absorb information. And in my world, we talk about what’s called analysis paralysis. Sometimes you get so much information, and I’m a Gemini Sun too, so you get so much information you just try to process it all. But to tie this in to the full moon Alejo, I think, you know, Gemini is the thinker, Gemini is the talker. And with the full moon, I think it’s going to be an important time to just listen. And sometimes you don’t have to talk. Sometimes you just need to absorb. So if Gemini is a talker, Sagittarius can be the listener in that respect. And you know, you were talking about Saturn, you know, we have Saturn, I’m jumping ahead a little bit, but Saturn goes retrograde in Pisces on June 17th. And even last year too, you know, we had Saturn and Neptune both go retrograde in the month of June. So this year Neptune is going to be going retrograde in Cancer season, but I just bring that up because, you know, in the ancient mythology, Saturn was the father of Pluto, of Jupiter and of Neptune. And when we’re dealing with Neptune and Saturn both going retrograde, I think perception is not always reality in this case. Because Saturn rules your how you view your reality, but Neptune is your perception. So I think there’s going to be a big shift and in this month of June, especially since we’re going to be having the Sun squared Neptune. Let’s see, where’s that date. Yeah it’s the same day as the new moon, same day as the new moon. So that’s gonna be an interesting one, too. And the following day, obviously, you have Jupiter sextile Saturn. So I think we will have a, kind of like a collective sense of relief, like a deep breath. You know, Gemini rules the lungs and we are gonna be able to exhale and catch our breath I think by the end of this Gemini season. But I think it’s gonna be an intense one. Very intense finish to the spring.

Alejo: Yes. And when looking at the full moon also, I was thinking when you were saying about this idea of changing the way, like allowing ourselves to listen more in order to grasp a better sense of reality. I was looking at the full moon, the full moon has a Mercury-Uranus conjunction, it isn’t exact yet, it’s about to go exact. But you know, we always talk about Mercury like how we communicate. And I think we relate this with the idea of speaking. And actually communication is a two way thing, we’re talking about Gemini, communication is a two way thing. It’s not just speaking. And I’m thinking if this Mercury-Uranus conjunction is actually bringing in this idea that you’re saying okay, maybe there’s a moment in communication in which we need to listen. And actually the full moon has this, you know, because the new moon is the emergence, it’s the moment of the starting of the cycle. The full moon, I mean, it is when we see the big light in the sky so I think it has this sense of drama in some ways. But if you think about it in its cycle, it’s actually the beginning of the other half, which is less active in some ways, right?

Gianni: Yeah. That’s very good.

Alejo: Interesting. Is there anything else you would like to share about the full moon?

Gianni: No, I think on the full moon that that pretty much covers it. You know, the one thing I did skip over here, Alejo, was we have Venus going into Leo on June 5th. And the same day, Venus is going to oppose Pluto. And Venus is going to be very important in the sign of Leo this year because that’s where she’s going to be going through her retrograde cycle between July 20th and September 3rd. So yeah, I think that’s a very important transit to watch because Venus rules money, and then back in the day it was only the Kings that were allowed to mint money. So that’s why Leo rules the King, Leo rules gold, and gold historically used to be money. So the whole banking situation, that’s why I think we’re gonna see a culmination of that in the financial sphere this summer. And it’s been in effect since since March, really. So I think Venus in Leo is a very key transit to keep an eye on. And then I think she has her retrograde start in like the 18 to 20 degrees of Leo, if I’m not mistaken.

Alejo: I can look for it quickly. Okay, I’m not sure. But so you think that because when it goes in… So during the summer when it goes retrograde, it’s going to it’s going to have a huge impact on the economy, right?

Gianni: Yeah, a lot of times you see the central banks change their strategies during that time. Last time we had Venus retrograde was at the end of 2021. And that was when the central banks started to raise interest rates. So now, I think we might see the central banks, perhaps, start either stop raising interest rates or perhaps even lower them. That’s going to have some big impacts in the economy.

Alejo: So according to this Venus is gonna go retrograde on the 23rd of July at 28 degrees of Leo. It’s gonna go back all the way to 12 degrees, I think that’s what you were thinking of.

Gianni: Yeah. Well, I will say this Alejo, you know, we were talking about the whole geopolitical situation. I do hope that Venus going over those sensitive points for Zelenskyy and for Putin, you know, Venus is the planet of compromise and reaching agreements and negotiating. Hopefully, you know, there could be a culmination of the conflict. And with Venus in Leo, hopefully an honorable agreement is reached. You know, Leo is a sign that represents honor and keeping your word. So that’s, you know, the optimist in me hopes for something like that.

Alejo: Yeah, it’s nice. It’s a nice thought, actually, yeah. I fear a little bit because obviously it’s Pluto. What will the compromise, you know, imply under the surface? What’s gonna be the hidden agenda? Because like, you know, if I will take this psychologically, I would say like, if you focus only on the pleasing aspect, on the Venusian aspect, then the dark aspect will show up outside, right? Pluto is going to show outside. So it could be a day like, if you have points there in your personal chart, it could be a day in which you can see, I think most of us will not identify with Pluto. I think some people do, but I think most people don’t. It’s probably a day in which we will see our shadow outside, right? And it could be interesting to actually, it could be interesting, now that you mentioned this. Because it could be interesting to see the news that we read on that day. How do they impact us because we might feel the split between Venus and Pluto, between compromising and losing power. Like the power of compromising or the loss of power in compromising. So it might be interesting to see how we feel about whatever we read about the situation. Yeah.

Gianni: Well, you know in any in any agreement, in any true negotiation there has to be sacrifice made. But, you know, with Pluto involved, what we’re told, as you said, might not be really what’s going on. And like I mentioned a moment ago, I would hope with Venus and Leo that it’s, you know, an agreement based off of honor. But with Pluto it could just be outright manipulation involved. Just saying one thing just to get, you know, get your opponent off guard and then manipulating them into a certain outcome afterwards. So, yeah, you know, the pen is very powerful, we know that.

Alejo: And I’m actually thinking now, I don’t know exactly what to make of it yet, but I’m thinking, so we started the season saying Mars is opposing Pluto and they’re both squaring Jupiter. And now here when Venus goes into Leo, Venus opposes Pluto and squares Jupiter. And Jupiter is in Taurus. So that means that there’s a kind of, it’s not as bad. Like, traditionally, we would say it’s not such a bad square in some ways, right? So I’m wondering, actually, if your hope actually could happen. Because there is a sense of, perhaps, where there was war, to bring this, that wants to find, the wants to make this agreement.

Gianni: Well, you know, to build off that, too, Pluto rules taxes. It rules, you know, I would even say like reparations of some form. If a solution to the conflict is reached, then as part of the surrender, or as part of the resolution, someone’s going to have to pay someone. So if the solution is reached, I don’t know if Ukraine says, okay, you can keep the eastern most half part of Ukraine, but we want a bunch of money for the rest of the country that you damaged. You know, that would seem to be like a Venus opposite Pluto. Or if Ukraine pushes back and drives Russia out, they’re probably going to say, okay, well, you know, you owe us all this money to rebuild everything that you destroyed type of thing. I mean, reparations are a big part of, you know, treaties that end wars. I think we’re onto something here.

Alejo: Yeah. And also I’m thinking of the idea, with Venus and Jupiter, the idea of values and beliefs. Pluto there making, maybe some things will have to change, we have to change some perspectives on what we think about the whole situation. And in a personal level, of course, again, we can always take this to a personal level. So in a personal level, it would be the same thing. Like what kind of reparations do we need to do to ourselves for things we might have done to ourselves when this war was going on? Like an inner war that may have been going on.

Gianni: Yeah, it’s all as above so below. It’s all manifesting within our selves, too.

Alejo: Yeah, I think so. So the 21st of May we said the Sun goes into Gemini, then 4th of June we said we have the full moon, we talked a little bit about Mercury-Uranus. And the 5th of June, we’re talking about the Venus. On the 11th of June we said Pluto is going to go back to Capricorn and we were talking about this kind of power struggle. And the next day to have the 17th of June, but do you have something between 11th and 17th that you want to mention?

Gianni: No, I did not actually.

Alejo: Okay. So 17th of June, we have Saturn retrograding in Pisces. Do you have any ideas what this could imply?

Gianni: I think just confusion on what’s real and what’s not. Yeah, that’s the best way I would describe it. Is trying to figure out what the realistic expectations are. I think that’s part of the struggle. You know, things that we thought were true maybe in the last couple years, realizing that they may not have been, and the karmic effects that come with that. And it may not even have been intentional, because with Pisces there can be a form of deception. Capricorn rules authority, perhaps it will be revealed that authorities were deceptive, or you know, lied, or maybe didn’t know what they were doing. Maybe they were confused. But there’s still consequences, because with Saturn you cannot escape the consequences. So I think that this could be part of it. It’s just figuring out, oh, you know, perhaps I was deceived in one area of my life. And even though I was deceived, you know, there’s still a consequence to pay for that. And I think it’s going to be a reconciliation of understanding what happened during that time.

Alejo: Yeah. And on the next day you mentioned the Sun square Neptune, which it’s also about perhaps confusion. And the Sun, if we take it as our leaders, it could be also a dissolving of the image that we have.

Gianni: Yeah, our leaders, you know, the leaders are supposed to be smart, they’re supposed to be intelligent, they’re supposed to be wise. This could be a time, well, maybe, I don’t want to say it’s necessarily malicious or ill intent, but maybe they were honestly fooled or tricked or deceived. But you know what, there’s still consequences to that. Because, you know, and I’m using these words like fooled, tricked and deceived because that’s part of Pisces. So, yeah I think that’s a big part of it, too.

Alejo: Yeah, I think, also like on a personal level it’s an invitation perhaps to relate… Because of, it’s like what you’re saying like in a political agenda and in the mundane world, there are laws in our structures and we need them. Because if everything is valid, then it could be dangerous, right? Now on a more personal level, I would say maybe it’s an invitation to, in order to find, because Saturn goes retrograde, so in order to find the sense of reality, even though it sounds a bit kind of a contradiction, but I like paradoxes. Maybe we need to look for metaphors or images. Like try to find the sense of reality, not in what seems the real. And actually I appreciate that during the whole podcast you keep bringing a lot of mythological figures, which was surprising to me for a financial astrologer to do something like that. And I think like on a personal level, I think it could work sometimes to draw, with Saturn retrograde into Pisces, to draw understanding from there. Understanding of the real world perhaps from metaphors, from myths, from stories.

Gianni: Well, put it this way. You know, from that metaphor, so where is Saturn stuck? Saturn is stuck in Tartarus at the centre of Hades. You know, Saturn, his son is Pluto who rules Hades. But now Saturn, you could say, okay, Saturn was starting to escape but now he’s stuck at the bottom of the ocean ruled by his son, Poseidon or Neptune. So you know, he’s still stuck, but he’s partially free, he’s trying to establish new boundaries, but he’s still, I don’t want to say drowning in the water, but he’s trying to figure out his way out of the sea. It can be very hypnotic, especially with Pisces. So yeah, I that’s what I try to do with my mundane understanding is tying in the mythological relationships, too. Right? Because all these planets have relationships with each other. And I think that understanding mythology helps you understand those relationships too.

Alejo: I like the idea of drowning because, like in alchemy, there are like different processes and one of the processes has to do with drowning. And in the pictures you see Liz Green, I think it’s Liz Green who quotes this, in the pictures you see the alchemist looking at the King being drowned. Like he’s not doing anything. It’s like yeah, part of the process is to drown. It’s like what you have to do.

Gianni: Did you watch Game of Thrones?

Alejo: I haven’t, no.

Gianni: There’s a scene in that where they, I don’t want to get too off topic, but they’re coronating one of the kings, or it might have been, I can’t remember if it was the King or like the Queen or something, but it was an island seafaring people and as part of the coronation they actually hold the the King’s head underwater so that their lungs filled with water and then they have to cough it all up. And that’s kind of like the rebirth process.

Alejo: Ah, wow, beautiful. I’m gonna look for that. Yeah. Thank you. Then on the new moon, we have the new moon on the 18th of June. At 26 degrees of Gemini, almost at the end of the season. And like you were saying this is squaring Neptune.

Gianni: Yeah. I think I think we covered it. And then you know, the next day we have Jupiter sextile Saturn, and then that pretty much takes us to the end of Gemini season.

Alejo: Yes. And the Jupiter sextile Saturn, I don’t know, I think I always, when I look at this Jupiter-Saturn, I think we need to go back to the beginning of the cycle. So like I always say like, whatever struggle you were having when Jupiter conjoined Saturn in 2020, and I think we were all…

Gianni: Yeah the first winter of COVID.

Alejo: Now this next one is kind of showing us whatever skill we could develop from that. Do have any, I don’t know, any thoughts on this on the Jupiter sextile Saturn. Maybe from a financial point of view.

Gianni: From a financial standpoint it’s generally pretty good. So that’s why, like, you know, we were talking about the situation in the banking world, in the financial world. I do think that there is a potential by the end of this month, by the end of Gemini season rather, that there could be almost a collective sigh of relief on that front. Because, you know, the economy is still dealing with the fallout from all of the COVID craziness. And I do think we’re toward the end of that era. I do think the COVID era is pretty much behind us. So now it’s like, what’s next? It might be, you know, we might not know until Jupiter square Saturn, which will be probably in 2026, I think, right? Oh no, probably 2025/2026, because Saturn is going to be late Pisces, Jupiter will be… Well Saturn will be late Pisces/ early Aries, Jupiter will be late Gemini/ early Cancer. So yeah, that might be the new big thing around that time.

Alejo: Yeah, that’s when we’re gonna see how realistic we were now with this, right?

Gianni: Yeah, I think so.

Alejo: Nice. Interesting. Okay, thank you. We’re running out of time. So just a few dates maybe that we think might be lucky. I was thinking a lot of the idea of creativity. And we have, well, there are a lot of things that are happening of course, with Mercury and Venus because it moves quickly. So on the 21st of May, we have the Sun trining Pluto. So I think it’s like, if you’re trying to break from old patterns, behavioral patterns that you don’t like, maybe that’s a good opportunity. On the 26th of May, I have Venus sextile Uranus. So I think it’s also a moment to kind of, if you want to try something new and you feel like it’s something you want to enjoy it’s a good opportunity. And then one of the most important ones, I think, the 2nd of June, there’s the Venus trine Neptune. And then on the 4th of June, Mercury conjoins Uranus. Yeah, so I think these two dates like around these days could be very creative. Maybe you’re going to feel inspired again because it’s Neptune. You could feel inspired or confused. But if you’re trying to do something new, especially something maybe related to arts, and Mercury with maybe writing or communication, I think maybe good days to work on that. Any dates you would like to add to this?

Gianni: Yeah, I like the end of Gemini season after that new moon. You know, because Mercury will be in Gemini during that time as well. Yes, I know there’s a square between the Sun and Neptune. But if you can transcend the tension associated with the square, I think you’ll get a burst of creativity. And I like the whole idea of starting some new stuff around that time. Because I think, you know, Saturn is going to be in the very early stages of retrograde during that time, so you might be feeling a little bit more emboldened or disciplined. And then the sextile between Jupiter and Saturn around then, too, I think is good for, you know, beginning new ventures.

Alejo: Nice, great, thank you. And we try to give people kind of a key phrase or a mantra to go through this season. I don’t know, can you think of anything after what we talked about?

Gianni: I’m gonna say choose your words wisely.

Alejo: Ah, nice. I would say I like your idea of listening. So I would say make sure that communication is also about listening and not just talking. And then we also always like to ask our guests what they’re reading, if you’re reading anything in particular now. It doesn’t have to be Gemini related or astrology related, but we’re just curious.

Gianni: Yeah, you know, believe it or not I’m actually reading Ancient Astrology from Demetra George right now. So it’s her volume one book. You know, I’m kind of a blend between modern and Hellenistic astrology, that’s the techniques I like to use. So, you know, for my mundane analysis I like to use both of those. So I’m going through that right now. It’s very good. And I got to speak with Demetra quite a bit at ISAR 2022 back in August in Denver. So it’s very good book. So I think if you’re interested in Hellenistic stuff to check that one out.

Alejo: Great. Yeah, it’s a very good book. Thank you. I’m reading the, which is a Gemini related theme, I’m reading the Grimm’s Complete Fairy Tale book edited by Barnes and Noble. I think in a way it’s Gemini because it’s like fairy tales and stories, like stories people used to tell. And I’m also reading a book, it’s a very short volume, I think it has to do with what we talked about Pluto, I didn’t think about this before. It’s called Trust and Betrayal: Dawning of Consciousness. And it’s like a from a Jungian paper, from a Jungian Journal. The Jungian LDC journal 2010, it’s quite quite old but I find it very interesting. And now what are your upcoming events? First of all, how can people reach you if they want to reach you?

Gianni: Yeah, so you can find me and all my financial astrology work at www.mmacycles.com. I’m the director of the Merriman Market Timing Academy, which is the world’s elite financial astrology school. We have people from all over financial backgrounds, astrological backgrounds, and we teach them financial astrology. I also publish a series of reports on a monthly, weekly and daily basis with MMA cycles. We cover stocks, interest rates, commodities, cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin and etherium, gold and silver. And then actually this Saturday, Alejo, I’m going to be doing a webinar with Astrology University. And the title is Eye of the Geocosmic Storm. So if you want to hear more about some of the stuff that I alluded to during today’s discussion, regarding the whole financial world and this t-square with Jupiter, Mars and Pluto, I’m going to be giving an in depth overview, or I should say an in-depth the rundown rather, of that and how they might impact financial markets with a time horizon of 6 to 12 months. This Saturday, it’s going to be at 2pm Eastern.

Alejo: Yes, exactly. And even if, I’m not sure exactly when the podcast is going to be uploaded. So if it’s uploaded afterwards you can still get the recording for that.

Gianni: Yes. You can find it at astrologyuniversity.com.

Alejo: Yes, exactly. And other events at Astrology University are on the 27th of May. Well, there are many things, but I chose a few. On the 27th of May there’s a webinar on relationship patterns and pathways with Kelly Surtees. And then Brian Clark is going to start a whole course, let’s say, from the 31st of May to the 25th of June about relationships. I’m obviously focused on relationships. I realized that I’ve picked the ones that are about relationships. Yeah, and if you want to find me, my Instagram is @liminalcosmos, my website is www.liminalcosmos.com. I’m open for consultations and also I’m a psychologist, so also for therapy if you’re interested, or analysis. And I’m going to be doing on the 25th of May, I was invited to a very particular thing. I have a friend who is a Bruja, she’s a witch. So they’re doing this summit about different techniques on how to make a sacred space. And they want me to talk about local space, local space from astrology, from an astrological perspective. And that’s the 25th of May. If you’re interested you’re going to find all the information on my Instagram.

Gianni: I have one more thing, Alejo. I forgot to mention an event. So if you liked what we talked about today, and then you check out the the lecture I do with Astrology University this weekend, we’re doing a four day investment retreat in Michigan. So this is the ultimate level of financial astrology. It’s going to be from June 1st to June 4th. It’s in Troy, Michigan, and details that can be found at www.mmacycles.com. So it’s a hybrid event between one of our courses with Merriman Market Timing Academy and a live financial market forecasting event as well.

Alejo: Wow, it sounds amazing.

Gianni: Yeah. It’s a lot of fun. You meet you meet amazing people there; very impressive people from all walks of life and backgrounds and experience. So it’s a great networking event as well.

Alejo: Nice. Great, thank you. Thank you for sharing that also. All right. So thank you very much, Gianni for being here. It was great to have you and thanks everyone for listening.

Gianni: Very real pleasure, Alejo. Thank you, and I look forward to the next time.

Tony: Thanks for tuning in to the Astrology University Podcast. I’m the founder, Tony Howard. Head over to astrologyuniversity.com where you can find webinars and courses to help deepen your study of astrology. Study with some of the best astrologers in the field and check out our diploma program. For those of you interested in working professionally, we’re developing the skill to analyze charts for yourself, your friends and family. Hope to see you in class soon and until then, take good care.

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